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If Tiger Woods ran a decades long info war against Jack Nickolaus to undermine his standing directly resulting in a never ending discourse about whether previous generations of golfers could compete against modern athletes, people would resent him. As it is, people love Tiger despite his public failings.

The streets will debate Bron/Kobe forever. Bron/Mike was always astroturfed.

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LeBron's had a unique career, in that he's been a top player for close to a quarter century. But he hasn't quite hit the heights Jordan did. Even in a longer career, he won fewer titles. He won fewer MVPs. He won fewer Finals MVPs. Some of his defenders even point to his team beating the 73-9 Warriors in the Finals as evidence of his unique greatness, which is particularly weird. Supposedly, it's a GOAT case that he beat the 800 pound gorilla that was Golden State. None of James' sycophants seems to process that Jordan WAS the 800 pound gorilla.

The fact that LeBron went for 23 years (and counting!) at a top level is amazing, but the fact that he hasn't racked up the championship/MVP counts, much less the advanced stats Jordan did in a longer career isn't a point in his favor. Now, if he'd had Jordan's prime, but also put together 8 more top years on either side, he would certainly be the GOAT. Even if he fell a bit short but matched those numbers, there would be a discussion. But instead, LeBron's career was an unprecedently long era where he was one of a number of top-tier superstars who could (and did) each best each other-- LeBron's greatness is that he was up there for multiple eras. In his first half decade, it was Kobe/Tim Duncan. His last stretch, KD and Steph were up there. Giannis and Jokic made the leap more recently. Sometimes LeBron won titles (with a healthy dose of help from guys like Wade, who himself had been the best player on a title team; Irving, who made multiple all-NBA teams; and AD, who himself was the best player on LeBron's last title team).

But the difference was, even in LeBron's prime, he was one of a number of (kaleidescopically shifting) set of megastars who could win the title in a given year. When Jordan was in his prime, he was a 1 of 1 supernova. It wasn't a question of whether a given year would be his turn; every year he was in his prime and healthy, his team won it. And even playoff game 7s were a rarity, because his team was an anaconda. LeBron was a face, often the first face, on several eras' Mount Rushmore. Jordan was a Mount Rushmore by himself.

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