Nick acting like he’s making ground breaking news by being [checks notes] a big fat lib in the sports media world. I had to sit down—the room began spinning.
Nick wants to be judged for his politics eh? Lets break that down....
- Uses an iPhone assembled by children, with cobalt acquired from slave labor in Africa.
- Eats food from (and thus contributes to continuing the current system of) factory farming with horrendous conditions for animals
- Consumes goods from China
- Uses disposable plastic, contributing to the trash problem
-etc etc etc
What a naive, childish, and arrogant way to boil down the complexity of the world into black and white. Other than that I actually really enjoyed this episode, especially the part about the NBA having a problem with 3's.
Politeness is definitely over emphasized and he was responding those around you, not the people close to you, which I do think is meaningful difference. A large part of what Nick said there was correct. I did think this comment would stir more debate, though.
Somehow him calling Butker a fundamentalist (which is a descriptive fact, whether or not you consider it pejorative) is more controversial.
It is not a Nick Wright original thought. Comes from Jewish intellectual criticism of modern western society. Essentially 19th century eastern European Jewish behavior, upon integration from small predominately Jewish villages into secular western European cities, was seen as vulgar. Jewish intellectuals of the day, embarrassed by their brethren's inability to assimilate, attempted to explain this behavior by critiquing refined modern Gentile society, secularized Christianity, as a phony, hypocritical veneer of politeness. From these intellectuals we get the foundation for social science, leftist political thought, postmodernism.
Obviously, a simplification - look into The Ordeal with Civility by John Murray Cuddihy. It is interesting.
It’s refreshing that he said the thing out loud. “Politics is my religion and I will judge you accordingly”. There’s only a situational substitution of contempt for compassion and vice versa in this religion of his. 20 years from now Nick will emerge from the woods, flying a sign that says “REPENT”
You kind of made my point. He didn’t have to explicitly say “politics is my religion”. He said politics is how I judge morality. Which is exactly what the left said about religious people. Witness the reaction to Roe for example
Because he never said it. Feels like religious people are often trying to ascribe a religion to non-believers (politics, sports, etc.). It's like they're obsessed with projecting their own need to have crazy beliefs onto others. It comes from insecurity in their own faith (most religious people deep down know it's all bs).
41:34-41:55 "I really really don't like this idea that we shouldn't judge people positively or negatively for their politics. I was like, I want to be judged for mine. I was like, I think your politics are a massive amount of what makes up your character and who you are"
He's a religious zealot, just lefty urban progressive politics instead of a traditional religion w a god. Your boy is exposed, PW. Demz da rulz
Beginning of the comment seemed fair because it was couched in ‘feels’ like language which is along the lines of the subjective.
But the comment lost water when you moved into objective claims by using the word “know”. Objectively claiming any/all religions are false and objectively claiming that most adherents “know” that what they espouse or claim is false (which would require miraculous levels of mind-reading.)
Objective claims place the burden of proof upon the one making a claim and no evidence for your assertion/claim was provided in your comment.
Funny to hear reasonable takes about winning being undervalued from the guy who doesn't understand the Greatness of Michael Jordan.
Eliminate landing zone calls and the three point problem is fixed. All the other tricked out "solutions" that get proposed like scoring fractions are foolish and miss the forest.
Math got us into this problem. Math isn't going to get us out. Increased physicality will.
Nick comes off very inauthentic and sanctimonious, so these episodes are a tough listen. I had to drop off after his pejorative framing of Harrison Butker as a Christian fundamentalist. But I wanted to share my observation on his persona to the very online sports media types, which would include Ethan to an extent.
To me, Nick Wright and Skip Bayless are the most similar sports talking heads, yet the coverage they receive couldn’t be any different. One is a celebrated rising star and new face of FS1, while the other was chastised for years and run out of FS1. The motives seem obvious, but I curious how much of his popularity/rise is contrived from industry support vs. his appeal to daytime TV viewers.
How was that description of Butker wrong? Dude is so deep into far right religious stuff he believes antisemitic stuff the Catholic church has disavowed.
And before you think I'm exaggerating, this is verbatim from his infamous speech: "Congress just passed a bill where stating something as basic as the biblical teaching of who killed Jesus could land you in jail."
It’s wrong because “Christian fundamentalism” is an American Protestant Christianity movement from the 19th century. Butker is a devout Catholic. Wright doesn’t like Butker’s politics so he belittled his beliefs. Nick only feels comfortable about punching down on any form of Christianity. Would he ever be (openly) judgmental/demeaning of a the beliefs of practicing Muslim athlete?
The host, to his credit, corrected the guest right away.
Crazy thing is that bill was conceived due to Pro-Palestinian campus demonstrations. The Antisemitism Awareness Act, which passed the house May 2024, does make Gospel teachings a violation of federal civil rights law. Not sure if that translates to jail time, however a broad section of political groups have called the bill unconstitutional and harmful to free speech.
Add In the FBI targeting certain Catholics (Latin Mass, Gospel teachings) under the guise of domestic terrorism. Can understand where Butker is coming from.
Going down the route of copy pasting Gospel verses, would honestly rather refrain from that.
In the months leading up to Butker’s speech, the federal government, through legislation and law enforcement, was explicitly, improperly and unconstitutionally targeting Catholics, as domestic terrorists, as antisemitic, as white supremacists. Simply giving context to his speech.
The only way to interpret Butker's statement is that he believes the Jews, as a whole, are responsible for killing Jesus, which is absolutely antisemitic and would be illegal under that law. It is also a view disavowed by the church but still held by some very far right groups.
What examples do you have of the federal government unconstitutionally targeting Catholics?
That word has a meaning used in normal society outside of historical context. People talk about Muslim fundamentalists regularly.
The Cambridge dictionary definition of "fundamentalist" is "someone who believes in traditional forms of a religion, or believes that what is written in a holy book, such as the Christian Bible, is completely true."
I don’t hear domestic criticisms of Islamic fundamentalists in the last 5 years. But you don’t have to be “fundamentalist” Muslim to be out-of-line with the cultural beliefs of the woke left like Nick Wright. If Harrison Butker spoke to an audience of the importance to veil wives while in public under the pretext of some Biblical interpretation, Nick Wright would wail about women’s rights and how he views them as second class citizens. He has done as much with Butker’s preference for a woman to choose being a wife+mother over a career. His hypocrisy and selective outrage is why I find him so obnoxious.
I get that you don't agree with Nick's politics but I struggle to see what he's done here that is so objectionable. Ethan brought up Butker and Nick made a comment correctly describing Butker's religious beliefs and indicated he disagreed. Near as I can tell, this is the first time Wright has even commented on this incident.
Cambridge dictionary definition of "fundamentalist": "someone who believes in traditional forms of a religion, or believes that what is written in a holy book, such as the Christian Bible, is completely true."
"You see fundamentalists of almost any religion, any religion has folks who are adherent to the letter of the most stringent letter" - Nick Wright slandering Maga Right as he carries the torch for Maga Left. The HOS lost NW this previous fan from afar!! lol
How is what he said wrong here? There are absolutely fundamentalists in all religion, and Harrison Butker is a fundamentalist, whether or not you mean that pejoratively.
Cambridge dictionary definition of "fundamentalist": "someone who believes in traditional forms of a religion, or believes that what is written in a holy book, such as the Christian Bible, is completely true."
Guys, you couldn’t measure Nick’s disappointment if it came out that Patrick Mahomes had the same political views as 70% of the viewers of his TV show and half of the country.
Had me dying when he was upset over people questioning his "take integrity." Bro you rank quarterbacks, you don't discuss international war and diplomacy.
It's bizarre to me why anyone would care about the politics of an entertainer they like. Why would you like someone more b/c they have the same politics or dislike them b/c they have different politics? I'm a 49er fan and I didn't vote for Trump and I could not care less who the defensive end voted for. Also, I hate to break it to Nick but Mahomes is definitely Maga.
Nick acting like he’s making ground breaking news by being [checks notes] a big fat lib in the sports media world. I had to sit down—the room began spinning.
Exactly... as if there would ever be any negative consequences for that.
Deeply strange for Nick to take 'how you treat the people closest to you in your life' and boil it down to mere 'politeness' and brush it aside.
Nick wants to be judged for his politics eh? Lets break that down....
- Uses an iPhone assembled by children, with cobalt acquired from slave labor in Africa.
- Eats food from (and thus contributes to continuing the current system of) factory farming with horrendous conditions for animals
- Consumes goods from China
- Uses disposable plastic, contributing to the trash problem
-etc etc etc
What a naive, childish, and arrogant way to boil down the complexity of the world into black and white. Other than that I actually really enjoyed this episode, especially the part about the NBA having a problem with 3's.
Politeness is definitely over emphasized and he was responding those around you, not the people close to you, which I do think is meaningful difference. A large part of what Nick said there was correct. I did think this comment would stir more debate, though.
Somehow him calling Butker a fundamentalist (which is a descriptive fact, whether or not you consider it pejorative) is more controversial.
It is not a Nick Wright original thought. Comes from Jewish intellectual criticism of modern western society. Essentially 19th century eastern European Jewish behavior, upon integration from small predominately Jewish villages into secular western European cities, was seen as vulgar. Jewish intellectuals of the day, embarrassed by their brethren's inability to assimilate, attempted to explain this behavior by critiquing refined modern Gentile society, secularized Christianity, as a phony, hypocritical veneer of politeness. From these intellectuals we get the foundation for social science, leftist political thought, postmodernism.
Obviously, a simplification - look into The Ordeal with Civility by John Murray Cuddihy. It is interesting.
Still don’t like Nick regardless of his politics.
Herpes, the person.
I can't take his voice or style of explaining things, had to turn it off early.
It’s refreshing that he said the thing out loud. “Politics is my religion and I will judge you accordingly”. There’s only a situational substitution of contempt for compassion and vice versa in this religion of his. 20 years from now Nick will emerge from the woods, flying a sign that says “REPENT”
When did Nick say "politics is my religion"???
I don’t remember the exact quote but he said he judged people’s morality by their politics. Ethan disagreed and they left the topic soon after.
You kind of made my point. He didn’t have to explicitly say “politics is my religion”. He said politics is how I judge morality. Which is exactly what the left said about religious people. Witness the reaction to Roe for example
Because he never said it. Feels like religious people are often trying to ascribe a religion to non-believers (politics, sports, etc.). It's like they're obsessed with projecting their own need to have crazy beliefs onto others. It comes from insecurity in their own faith (most religious people deep down know it's all bs).
Youtube transcipt:
41:34-41:55 "I really really don't like this idea that we shouldn't judge people positively or negatively for their politics. I was like, I want to be judged for mine. I was like, I think your politics are a massive amount of what makes up your character and who you are"
He's a religious zealot, just lefty urban progressive politics instead of a traditional religion w a god. Your boy is exposed, PW. Demz da rulz
Beginning of the comment seemed fair because it was couched in ‘feels’ like language which is along the lines of the subjective.
But the comment lost water when you moved into objective claims by using the word “know”. Objectively claiming any/all religions are false and objectively claiming that most adherents “know” that what they espouse or claim is false (which would require miraculous levels of mind-reading.)
Objective claims place the burden of proof upon the one making a claim and no evidence for your assertion/claim was provided in your comment.
Holy shit he’s an deranged narcissist 😂
Funny to hear reasonable takes about winning being undervalued from the guy who doesn't understand the Greatness of Michael Jordan.
Eliminate landing zone calls and the three point problem is fixed. All the other tricked out "solutions" that get proposed like scoring fractions are foolish and miss the forest.
Math got us into this problem. Math isn't going to get us out. Increased physicality will.
"Winning needs to matter more!"
- the guy who's been making endless excuses about why LeBron has just 4 rings in 20+ years.
Fuck Nick Wright and the ass he rode in on.
Man do I hate Nick Wright.
Nick comes off very inauthentic and sanctimonious, so these episodes are a tough listen. I had to drop off after his pejorative framing of Harrison Butker as a Christian fundamentalist. But I wanted to share my observation on his persona to the very online sports media types, which would include Ethan to an extent.
To me, Nick Wright and Skip Bayless are the most similar sports talking heads, yet the coverage they receive couldn’t be any different. One is a celebrated rising star and new face of FS1, while the other was chastised for years and run out of FS1. The motives seem obvious, but I curious how much of his popularity/rise is contrived from industry support vs. his appeal to daytime TV viewers.
How was that description of Butker wrong? Dude is so deep into far right religious stuff he believes antisemitic stuff the Catholic church has disavowed.
And before you think I'm exaggerating, this is verbatim from his infamous speech: "Congress just passed a bill where stating something as basic as the biblical teaching of who killed Jesus could land you in jail."
It’s wrong because “Christian fundamentalism” is an American Protestant Christianity movement from the 19th century. Butker is a devout Catholic. Wright doesn’t like Butker’s politics so he belittled his beliefs. Nick only feels comfortable about punching down on any form of Christianity. Would he ever be (openly) judgmental/demeaning of a the beliefs of practicing Muslim athlete?
The host, to his credit, corrected the guest right away.
Crazy thing is that bill was conceived due to Pro-Palestinian campus demonstrations. The Antisemitism Awareness Act, which passed the house May 2024, does make Gospel teachings a violation of federal civil rights law. Not sure if that translates to jail time, however a broad section of political groups have called the bill unconstitutional and harmful to free speech.
Add In the FBI targeting certain Catholics (Latin Mass, Gospel teachings) under the guise of domestic terrorism. Can understand where Butker is coming from.
What Gospel teachings would have been made illegal under that act?
Note that saying the Jews as a whole are responsible for killing Jesus is not a Gospel teaching but this is exactly what Butker believes.
Going down the route of copy pasting Gospel verses, would honestly rather refrain from that.
In the months leading up to Butker’s speech, the federal government, through legislation and law enforcement, was explicitly, improperly and unconstitutionally targeting Catholics, as domestic terrorists, as antisemitic, as white supremacists. Simply giving context to his speech.
The only way to interpret Butker's statement is that he believes the Jews, as a whole, are responsible for killing Jesus, which is absolutely antisemitic and would be illegal under that law. It is also a view disavowed by the church but still held by some very far right groups.
What examples do you have of the federal government unconstitutionally targeting Catholics?
That word has a meaning used in normal society outside of historical context. People talk about Muslim fundamentalists regularly.
The Cambridge dictionary definition of "fundamentalist" is "someone who believes in traditional forms of a religion, or believes that what is written in a holy book, such as the Christian Bible, is completely true."
Butker absolutely fits that category.
I don’t hear domestic criticisms of Islamic fundamentalists in the last 5 years. But you don’t have to be “fundamentalist” Muslim to be out-of-line with the cultural beliefs of the woke left like Nick Wright. If Harrison Butker spoke to an audience of the importance to veil wives while in public under the pretext of some Biblical interpretation, Nick Wright would wail about women’s rights and how he views them as second class citizens. He has done as much with Butker’s preference for a woman to choose being a wife+mother over a career. His hypocrisy and selective outrage is why I find him so obnoxious.
I get that you don't agree with Nick's politics but I struggle to see what he's done here that is so objectionable. Ethan brought up Butker and Nick made a comment correctly describing Butker's religious beliefs and indicated he disagreed. Near as I can tell, this is the first time Wright has even commented on this incident.
Yes, that description is wrong.
Cambridge dictionary definition of "fundamentalist": "someone who believes in traditional forms of a religion, or believes that what is written in a holy book, such as the Christian Bible, is completely true."
Butker absolutely fits that category.
"You see fundamentalists of almost any religion, any religion has folks who are adherent to the letter of the most stringent letter" - Nick Wright slandering Maga Right as he carries the torch for Maga Left. The HOS lost NW this previous fan from afar!! lol
How is what he said wrong here? There are absolutely fundamentalists in all religion, and Harrison Butker is a fundamentalist, whether or not you mean that pejoratively.
He’s not
Cambridge dictionary definition of "fundamentalist": "someone who believes in traditional forms of a religion, or believes that what is written in a holy book, such as the Christian Bible, is completely true."
Butker absolutely fits that category.
He’s Catholic so he can’t be. Catholic’s don’t believe the Bible is 100% true.
You are, of course, quite wrong, though the Catholic view of the Bible is different than almost all Protestant sects.
Even if you were right, Butker still fits this part of the definition: "someone who believes in traditional forms of a religion"
The type of comments under this post show why Nick Wright is successful at what he does.
Guys, you couldn’t measure Nick’s disappointment if it came out that Patrick Mahomes had the same political views as 70% of the viewers of his TV show and half of the country.
Nick specifically said "hard MAGA" which is absolutely not half the country.
Had me dying when he was upset over people questioning his "take integrity." Bro you rank quarterbacks, you don't discuss international war and diplomacy.
It's bizarre to me why anyone would care about the politics of an entertainer they like. Why would you like someone more b/c they have the same politics or dislike them b/c they have different politics? I'm a 49er fan and I didn't vote for Trump and I could not care less who the defensive end voted for. Also, I hate to break it to Nick but Mahomes is definitely Maga.
Bitcoin maxi’s acting selfishly? You don’t say…
Tell Freddie to stop hating on Nick, haha. He's great.
Hate Nick’s politics and they call him white whitlock for a reason but he comes off as a really good guy in these long form discussions on hos.