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Freddie deBoer's avatar

I'm not being glib when I say that this is my response: https://imgflip.com/i/awu6zv

A LOT of this conversation comes down to the distance between longform behavior and social media behavior

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“We can understand that, even if the yardage is equal, a running back who gets consistent gains outperforms a “boom-and-bust” runner who often gets tackled for a loss.

The nerds grinded and made these discoveries while many professionals were relying on surface-level information.”

I’m old enough to remember this being a talking point in the Emmitt v. Barry debate in the early 90’s. I can assure you that consistency versus boom or bust has been a debate in football for a long, long time, see the general debate about the forward pass versus 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

Anyway, Basketball has a pretty solid foundation to build analytical strategy from “3 is more than 2”; likewise with baseball and “how many *bases* is a player getting per at bat.” Football does not have this as far as player performance goes…

Im finding these articles a little frustrating because if there really was this disregard for analytics, we wouldn’t have the evolution of teams being much more aggressive of going for it on fourth down, the aggressive deployment of cap experts by many teams, sophisticated models of roster management and maximization of rookie contracts and tags ( unlike the NBA, NFL front offices typically don’t sign B players at the tail end of their primes to A+contracts), teams generally don’t draft like the late Al Davis Raiders based purely on size speed and vibes, etc… so in places where there is more reliable data the data is used which wouldn’t be the case if there was the kind of antagonism to analytics, you seem to suggest.

The arrogance comes from not understanding what the data can and can’t tell you. The point about the failure rate of QBs doesn’t do what you think it does. If I tell you how hard it is to beat the market over a x year period, It’s not a sign that finance is not really trying to separate signal from noise.

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