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Ben's avatar

I appreciate the topic of this post. I am a casual regular season NBA fan but get much more invested in the playoffs - since that is what the league does as well. The writing and discussion about what ails the NBA is vast. But to me, the entire officiating operation is the primary turn off. The endless reviews that stop game flow and tension to judicate a fingernail touch or 0.1 second of the shot clock along with the extreme lack of common sense in how fouls are called just makes the presentation of a great game so often ridiculous. I am not sure why the only 3 viewers of a game who cannot understand the biomechanics and physics of a flop are the ones with whistles. It is so frustrating to watch possessions or actions that only seem to have the purpose of drawing a dubious foul. And I won't even get into the old man yelling at clouds on the spirit of what is traveling vs a gather step, pick up, step-back etc.

If the league announced today that their goal was to have their game mimic the FIBA/Olympic game flow, I would buy any and all of their products.

Vlad the Inhaler's avatar

Basketball is unique among the North American pro sports in that it’s by far the easiest sport for fans to play themselves, in at least some form, deep into adulthood. This is becoming a real problem for the NBA, I think, because so much of the behavior on the court is the sort of thing the fans wouldn’t tolerate when playing the game themselves. It’s like the PGA developing a culture in which players routinely get away with nudging their ball for a better lie.

Kieran's avatar
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This theory doesn’t address the strongest and most simple counterpoint. Put SGA aside. Anyone that watches a broad range of NBA games will notice that no other team besides OKC is given the leeway to blatantly hug and grab and push on defense, especially when the opposing offensive player has the ball. You really think OKC is the only team that is smart enough to try playing defense in this manner? The inconsistency of how defense is called is all just because OKC has a dope team of researchers?

CKWatt's avatar
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I think both Ethan and the subscriber quoted here are right:

I respect the hell out of the organization *qua* organization, how incredibly well the team was built (largely homegrown), and how well everybody fits together.

Their play, however leaves me cold, and I cannot stand SGA. It feels like you can count on one hand the offensive possessions he has in a given game where he doesn't commit an uncalled offensive foul, travels, nor flops.

Sasha's avatar
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It's more Culture War!

OKC is MAGA (red state, funded by natural gas, russell westbrook's whole deal)

Hating OKC is LGBTQ+ (they were stolen from Seattle, main rivals are the GSW from the tenderloin, etc.)

The culture war coding overrides the actual facts on the ground, namely OKC being the, um, zestiest (and most canadian!) team in the league.

More seriously, the Thunder are called for a good deal more fouls than average, and shoot slightly fewer free throws than average. So the facts around fouling counter the prevailing narrative. Their competitive moat is clearly playing at a much higher intensity than any other team (only the Pacers have been close) and I think that's a little antithetical to how many people think basketball should be played (with more style, individual talent > hard team work, etc.).

Skytime's avatar

Reg season numbers

2025 OKC fta rank #26

2025 OKC fta 1672, opponent fta 1942

2025 OKC pf 1631, opponent pf 1485

2026 OKC fta rank #17

2026 OKC fta 1905, opponent fta 1798

2026 OKC pf 1555, opponent pf 1670

2025 OKC -270 fta and +146 pf

2026 OKC +107 fta and -115 of

drastic year to year differences yet NBA fans and media view 2025 and 2026 similarly lol

JohnMcG's avatar

Every bad league trend has one or two Poster Child teams that exploit the bad rules.

The New Jersey Devils (and the Florida Panthers) used the neutral zone trap everyone hated.

Billy Beane built an Oakland A's team of hulking sluggers who took a ton of walks.

The Patriots pushed every rule.

And the Thunder are the poster child of literal interpretation of the rules.

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The gambling angle is interesting, but also that the game is consumed as clips of random plays. If a ref tries to take control of a game by making a questionable foul call in the middle of the second quarter, the clip can now be shared (perhaps by people for whom this put them on the wrong side of a bet) rather than forgotten.

Matt W's avatar

Another dimension of this is their youth. It’s one thing to see a 30-something vet pulling this shit to make up for lost athleticism, but when guys in their early to mid-20s are smooshing pattycake and MMA into the PlayDoh press and getting the refs to give them an A in art class, it’s extra frustrating.

Joseph Conner Micallef's avatar

OKC hate in and of itself makes me less interested in watching basketball. The perpetual whining about OKC is immensely annoying. At least in baseball the Dodgers haters acknowledge that they are simply better - the perpetual "Thunder are ONLY good because of the refs" as teams get dumpstered again and again by them just comes off as insufferably jealous.

CM's avatar

The foul baiting nature of that team goes far beyond on SGA on OKC. Dort and Caruso play like press corners from the 1990s but flop all the fucking time. Chet foul baits against guards a foot shorter than him. If you try to match their physicality, the refs do not allow you to. It’s well known when you play against OKC, one team gets to play by one set of rules and the other team doesn’t get a chance to compete

Tom's avatar

Completely understand the sentiment/hate. But this is not new. Lots of good teams get away with overly aggressive defense especially in the playoffs. And many of them engage in foul baiting -> D Wade in 2006

Tim Nichols's avatar

Sure, but does anyone enjoy watching a full 48 minutes of OKC?

JS's avatar

All true, and yet, NBA officiating is still miles better than it used to be. Look, there's a huge investment in any fandom simply acting like there's not a problem when refs (or umps) ruin a game or series. Enormous travesties like Lakers-Portland or Lakers-Kings, or Dallas-Miami, or basically everything the Knicks got away with in the 90s, are simply shrugged away, and it's now considered in poor taste to even bring those things up. (Why, whatever do you mean, JS? Those results were all perfectly legit!).

So it's good to see people bitching about what OKC may be getting away with. Refs do tend to abrogate responsibilities when made uncomfortable by a star player or team, or one team fouling constantly, and the NBA would do well to quietly get the refs together and maybe tell them to push back on some of the things the Thunder are getting away with. But don't think for a minute that it's somehow a new problem, or that it's remotely as bad as things used to be.