21 minutes in. I think the conversation has been introduced and covered without the critical context that Nate Jones was an extremely vocal skeptic of Pablo’s aspiration reporting until more information came out and he just stopped mentioning it.
That’s the real root of this beef, both Jones initial vitriol, and Pablo’s shortness in response
Nate definitely has a point about the Ty Lue aspect. But he sacrificed some significant credibility a couple months ago going almost full Mark Cuban contorting himself to dismiss the Aspiration stuff.
So it's fair for Pablo to go there, even if I think he's wrong in this specific Lue exchange. Then again, he says his job is to report the truth. And there really wasn't much reporting going on re: Lue. He said he's friends with someone and also plays cards. You've got to bring something more substantial than that if you're going to single him out. Or wait until you have it. It was weak.
Ty Lue is a public figure. What aspect is there exactly? Seems like they're running rigged poker games. Fair to call it out. Who cares who is indicted? A podcast isn't a court of law
Fair to call what out? He hasn't alleged anything about Ty Lue. I don't really know what the point of bringing him up and spending time on him is if you're going to do nothing to tie him to the actual scam. Maybe he is tied to it. But singling him out on the basis of friendship is weak. Give us something. And I say that as someone who thinks Pablo has been doing incredible work lately.
1) This is your public youtube? And you're treating it like a trade journal? No one cares about NBA agents. They are irrelevant. Might have some useful things to say on process, literally nothing worth while that involves specifics. Stop it. At least in baseball the agent might have been an opposing team over and I think it's funny. Hilarious that Amin admitted the agent couldn't tell the truth if he knew they were guilt, he would be quiet instead. Worthless discussion
2) Amin knows NOTHING about vice (pretty sure he doesn't even drink, not a shocker with his last name). He condescendingly tells us there are all sorts of general staff sanitation, trainers, audio guys, maybe even camera guys lip reading, whatever who have access to this insider information. But no one gambles on it? Of course.....???? Absurd on the face of it. Gambling is obviously a huge problem. Always has been. We're barely 20 years removed from a ref led gambling conspiracy that clear was very wide spread.
3) Is Amin looking for a job with the league? Because if not I'm confused at what he's doing in this episode. So worried about agents and the league. Not your job anymore dude. No one wants to hear that, and if we did could hear it from 1000 sources. Zero value add. If he is, just keep him off the show on topics where he can't speak honestly
You know who i definitely wouldn't tell about my wrongdoings? The straightedge Muslim guy at work. He has all the NBA knowledge needed to comment, but none of the degenerate streak. With what he said, if there are literally dozens of people who know who is injured and who is not. Yes there is a lot of gambling on that information you dolt. Literally anyone can do it through their phone. And many of these people make so little the risks are worth the rewards. Good luck proving I overheard lebron's ankle hurts. Guys who did it out in the open like Billups may skate because intention matters.
Amin is older now with a family and kids, but I don't think he is as straight-edged as you think. And with everything he has said over the years, he has more than given up on ever working in the league.
I would have thought he'd given that up too. Yet here is he carrying water for the league and an agent all over this episode. Naivety is the only other explanation i can come up with
And he may not be quite as strait edge as I'm implying. But he definitely falls on the god squad side of American locker rooms.
21 minutes in. I think the conversation has been introduced and covered without the critical context that Nate Jones was an extremely vocal skeptic of Pablo’s aspiration reporting until more information came out and he just stopped mentioning it.
That’s the real root of this beef, both Jones initial vitriol, and Pablo’s shortness in response
Yes! I was shocked this didn't come up. Maybe because Amin isn't active on Twitter. But don't understand how it eluded Ethan.
Nate definitely has a point about the Ty Lue aspect. But he sacrificed some significant credibility a couple months ago going almost full Mark Cuban contorting himself to dismiss the Aspiration stuff.
So it's fair for Pablo to go there, even if I think he's wrong in this specific Lue exchange. Then again, he says his job is to report the truth. And there really wasn't much reporting going on re: Lue. He said he's friends with someone and also plays cards. You've got to bring something more substantial than that if you're going to single him out. Or wait until you have it. It was weak.
Ty Lue is a public figure. What aspect is there exactly? Seems like they're running rigged poker games. Fair to call it out. Who cares who is indicted? A podcast isn't a court of law
Fair to call what out? He hasn't alleged anything about Ty Lue. I don't really know what the point of bringing him up and spending time on him is if you're going to do nothing to tie him to the actual scam. Maybe he is tied to it. But singling him out on the basis of friendship is weak. Give us something. And I say that as someone who thinks Pablo has been doing incredible work lately.
You guys seem REALLY overly credulous just because you personally know people. That is a poor barometer.
1) This is your public youtube? And you're treating it like a trade journal? No one cares about NBA agents. They are irrelevant. Might have some useful things to say on process, literally nothing worth while that involves specifics. Stop it. At least in baseball the agent might have been an opposing team over and I think it's funny. Hilarious that Amin admitted the agent couldn't tell the truth if he knew they were guilt, he would be quiet instead. Worthless discussion
2) Amin knows NOTHING about vice (pretty sure he doesn't even drink, not a shocker with his last name). He condescendingly tells us there are all sorts of general staff sanitation, trainers, audio guys, maybe even camera guys lip reading, whatever who have access to this insider information. But no one gambles on it? Of course.....???? Absurd on the face of it. Gambling is obviously a huge problem. Always has been. We're barely 20 years removed from a ref led gambling conspiracy that clear was very wide spread.
3) Is Amin looking for a job with the league? Because if not I'm confused at what he's doing in this episode. So worried about agents and the league. Not your job anymore dude. No one wants to hear that, and if we did could hear it from 1000 sources. Zero value add. If he is, just keep him off the show on topics where he can't speak honestly
You know who i definitely wouldn't tell about my wrongdoings? The straightedge Muslim guy at work. He has all the NBA knowledge needed to comment, but none of the degenerate streak. With what he said, if there are literally dozens of people who know who is injured and who is not. Yes there is a lot of gambling on that information you dolt. Literally anyone can do it through their phone. And many of these people make so little the risks are worth the rewards. Good luck proving I overheard lebron's ankle hurts. Guys who did it out in the open like Billups may skate because intention matters.
Amin is older now with a family and kids, but I don't think he is as straight-edged as you think. And with everything he has said over the years, he has more than given up on ever working in the league.
I would have thought he'd given that up too. Yet here is he carrying water for the league and an agent all over this episode. Naivety is the only other explanation i can come up with
And he may not be quite as strait edge as I'm implying. But he definitely falls on the god squad side of American locker rooms.
I vote to make Herzog the backup producer.